From: Kambiz Darabi Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 06:27:48 GMT Subject: Re: Followup on the instantDB move To: instantdb@projects.lutris.com In-Reply-To: <02c401c0ef81$4b47f300$b01e0a0a@lutris.com> References: <02c401c0ef81$4b47f300$b01e0a0a@lutris.com> Paul, thank you very much for the clarification. Maybe it arrived the developer community a little too late? However, we will be willing to contribute to InstantDB as soon as it's source is released to the public. Until that time, some of us who came to InstantDB because of the "dangling carrot" (sorry, but the comparison is too amusing :) will choose another solution for their Java database needs. As I proposed this on this mailing list a week ago, my email was rejected by the list administrator. This is an attitude which is far from being acceptable. Hoping to see InstantDB open sourced in near future Kambiz Darabi CTO m-creations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ursprüngliche Nachricht <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Am 07.06.2001, 20:40:14, schrieb "Paul A Morgan" zum Thema Followup on the instantDB move: > All, > First of all I hope that this email gets through. > Apparently during the mail list transition several emails > have been lost. In fact the initial explanation to the move > of the InstantDB project got spooled for 3 days and thus was > delivered after the move. Sorry. I'm assured that the mail > system is now fully operational, but you may need to repost > messages sent in the past two days. > From the email that I have received there is certainly > some confusion on the previous state of InstantDB and on its > new status. I will try to clarify. Firstly, the source code > for InstantDB has never been made available. It has never > been an open source project. As a company that has invested > heavily in the open source development of the Enhydra > application server, our intention was for InstantDB to join > that codebase to further the platform. Various unforeseen > factors have forced Lutris to reconsider the timing of such > a move and thus we could not, in good conscience, leave the > InstantDB project on Enhydra.org. During the period > InstantDB was hosted on Enhydra.org, we requested that > would-be-licensors contact us for licensing terms. We > granted full commercial rights to the use of the software so > long as certain copyright messages and credits were > displayed in such commercial software and documentation. > From the 4.0 release onward and coincident with the > distribution of the technology to Lutris.com, the license is > more restrictive: it similar to the license available for > InstantDB prior to distribution on Enhydra.org, namely that > commercial redistribution is not permitted without obtaining > a license from Lutris Technologies. The proceeds from such > licenses will allow us to further development of this > technology and the other Enhydra.org open source efforts for > the benefit of all. > As a possible result of the unavailability of the email > list the past couple of days I have received a couple of > uncomplimentary emails from people with (creative) > conspiracy theories. While they are entertaining reading > they do feel like a slap in the face. They knock the, IMHO, > considerable contribution and commitment to the open source > software movement that Lutris has made and will continue to > make. Throughout which time we have had to deal with the > conflicts and balances of a growing a commercial, for > profit, enterprise software company. Not every decision is > easy or obvious and this is one of them. > I trust that this email better addresses some the > explicit points raised by members of the community. I very > much hope that you will continure to support our Enhydra.org > endeavors and perhaps, at a future time, we can revisit the > open sourcing of InstantDB as part of our larger Enhydra > effort. > Regards, > -- > Paul A Morgan > Chief Technology Officer > Lutris Technologies, Inc.